Originally written for and submitted to the Faking News Forum.
Bangalore. Chaos on the opening day of the much awaited Bangalore’s Namma Metro as passenger announcement inside the coaches was made in Tamil. Most Bangaloreans who were eager to check out the Metro Rail on the first day were surprised to hear Tamil announcements. Ramesh, a Kannadiga by birth said “I was so confused that for a moment I thought I had boarded a Chennai Local Train”.
Recent survey has confirmed that only 33% of the total Bangalore population are Kannadigas. According to 2011 census, Bangalore’s population has ballooned in the past decade mainly due to the IT flourish. Majority of the migrants in the city are from Tamil Nadu. A clear indication as to why Chennai’s population is less than half of Bangalore’s.
“There is a huge raise in the number of Tamilians who have settled in the city and Kannadigas are almost an extinct species. If we have to win the next state elections, we have to support and encourage Tamil in Bangalore. Announcements in Tamil was a strategic move and was not a mistake. The 6.2 km stretch from Byappanahalli to MG Road is Tamil dominated. If Tamil helps a major chunk of the Metro travelers in this route, then why not?” asked Transport Minister R. Ashok to Faking News.
Chief Minister Sadananda Gowda also reacted by stating that talks were on to make Tamil as the official language of Karnataka and soon a bill will be passed in the next session.
Critics told Faking News that Jayalalitha’s visit to Bangalore on the day of the launch of Namma Metro was a wrongly publicized in the media. She was not supposed to answer questions at the court. Infact she had come down to Bangalore to record the next set of announcements for Phase 2 of the metro. “I am very happy that my fellow Tamilians in Bangalore will hear to my voice daily”, said Jayalalitha.
Primary and Secondary Education Minister Visveswara Hegde Kageri told Faking News that steps will soon be initiated to introduce and mandate Tamil as the first language in all Government schools across Karnataka. “If today’s kids learn and understand Tamil, their future will be bright in Bangalore”, said the minister.
TCS, which has 10 offices in Bangalore has recently included Tamil in the language skill set for freshers in addition to C, C++ and Java. “4 out of 5 TCS employees are Tamilians. We are planning to rename our company to Tamil Consultancy Services”, said a senior HR Manager.
Vatal Nagaraj staged a protest on MG Road today demanding announcements to be made in Kannada. He also threatened to ride donkeys on the metro rails if the move is not withdrawn.
“Vanakkam”
ha ha ha…. gud sense of humour.It shall even becum a reality going by the number of kannadigas declining with each passing day in B’lore. BTW, i now found in census 2011 that hindi speakers outnumber others in migrants?! aren’t they now the single largest group in B’lore, followed then by tamil,telugu and malayalis?!
bull shit news kannadigas are in majority oly in bangalore and in karnataka
i say tamil is minority language in tamil nadu…telugu people ll dominate in tamil nadu…soon telugu ll be d official language of tamil nadu
soon telengana will be born and rayalaseema will have huge tamil minority population and trivially tamil will be made an official language of southern rayalaseema.
During the 77th All India Kannada Sahitya Sammelana,it was claimed that Kannadigas made up only 30 per cent of Bengalurus population.However,one survey seems to suggest otherwise.As per the Indian Readership Survey (2010 Q1) done among the top five daily newspapers sold in Bengaluru,four of them are Kannada newspapers and these four newspapers account for nearly 30 lakh readers.If one includes the other Kannada dailies it would mean that close to 40 lakh Kannada dailies are sold every day in the city.With Bengalurus population around 65 lakh,these newspaper figures suggests that at least 65 per cent of Bengalurus population are Kannadigas,making them a majority.Its true there are people from other states also in the city.But that number is overestimated by emotional outbursts rather than proper analysis.Its time to put to rest the notion that Kannadigas are a minority in Bengaluru.
Sorry, but Telugus residing TN *(except for Chennai) are adopting Tamil. And, Tamils unofficially form about 31% of Bangalore’s Population.
You and 31% of Bangalore ha ha ha ha ha can’t stop laughing. But…….Yes, the slums! that can fall apart any minute and be forced to get back to your african-tamil home land anytime
hey we’ll unite in bangalore, why giving it to hindi people?
proud to be south indian…
Man…. we kannadigas hav already lost b’lore to hindi…..Our climate and openness of kannadigas to adapt to migrants has now made B’lore the unofficial capital of North India….. all properties are occupied by jains from Rajasthan… they r doing business here chasing traditional smaller businesses run by kannadigas. We r now reduced to “kiranaa” stores.LOOK at how they hav polluted our culture…our cinema..even FM stations play hindi songs boycotting our “kasturi” kannada….. We r reduced to 2nd class citizens in B’;lore.Only politics for kannadigas..rest for north indians,,,, Proudly say we r cosmopolitan and liberal!
Mr. Gowda, please understand, North Indians are not our enemies. They are not snatching anything from us. The only enemies can be the stupid Tamils, Dirty slum dwellers. They are neither good for country nor for Karnataka, but come sit here grabbing all the money, food, water and jobs. And worst thing is they fake their Ids when asked who you are, they say they are Kannadigas, but just enter their homes, you can always their dirty Sun TV playing and these buggers barking in slum language.
North Indians at least lay their lives in the border fights for the country. We Kannadigas also do that. The truth is Northerners are our true brothers and sisters.
Please read the comments made at the end of this page to know the truth.
dear friend dont be so angry angry against tamils,first we are all dravidians by race being a tamilian,i love kannada and kannada people,i have many kannada friends we love each other,i understand there a large tamils in bangalore hence becomes a big competition for kannada people,but the fact even tamil nadu has kannada speaking people,we respect all people malayale,kannadiga,telegu,or the hindi people,you say hindi people fight for us in the border,we are doing nothing,my friend IF IT IS THE SECOND ECONOMY OF OUR COUNTRY THEN IT IS ONLY BECAUSE OF TAMILS ALL AROUND THE WORLD,we rock from USA to UK and MALAYASIA TO MYSORE,CANADA TO FRANCE,MAURITIUS TO SAINGAPORE,SOUTH AFRICA TO BURMA,SRI LANKA TO INDONESIA,THAILAND TO DENMARK,NORWAY TO ITALY.you cant say a no to this if you have world knowledge,this statement is not to make a big of us,the singapore,srilanka,mauritius and malaysia has tamil as national and official language and you dravidian hating it,surprises me,my friend for your information there a town in TN where every man works in military,come man we are indian tamils and we proud of it,we like to live a simple and humble life,if i have hurted you i am sorry,my motive is to make you feel that we are one and belong to the dravidian race.
Shut up arshole! Who wants to be one with so called dravida or whatever which is fake thing for us, the real Indians. First of all the word “Dravida” was given to oldest Indians which you buggers started snatching and calling yourselves as Dravidians. So, when u become tat, we are no more that. It is as simple as tat. Don’t call us weird names u crap eaters. You are not simple and humble, it is just that, there is no beauty to dress up ha ha ha!
By the way, Mauritius, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Thailand are all countries that must have just picked ur dirty Tamil, but the race has no tamils there except as slaves. Your language spread not for economy, industrial purpose, but jst because demons like Ravan had flown to those areas in search of wealth and women. That makes you next to nil of any contribution to the world economy lol. By the way, don’t utter the name “Mysore” from your mouth. It is belongs to Royal Kannadigas since times unknown and tamil slaves were brought just 200 yrs back. Only tiny ethic groups such as Iyer or Iyengar types had come in a little early like 10 centuries back to sell home-made, baked stuff to us to make their lives. Those buggers are bigger fakus, changing identies and trying to live like Kannadigas.
Wake up to your truth Tamils!
North Indians fighting for our country in border ha ha ha…this guy thinks who all are living in borders are military’s….LMAO…..kid which school you are studying….
According to the census report 2011 India, approximately 8425972 people reside in Bangalore which makes the city third most populous city in India and the 28th most populous city in the world. The people of Bangaluru are known as Bangalorean. Normally, they use Kannada dialect as their prime spoken and official language. However, most of Bangaloreans are also frequent to speak English and Hindi.
Yes, what we can call our’s apart from Kannada is, English and Hindi as the international and national language. And yes of course the minor languages of Karnataka
Hindi is not a national language. It is one of the official languages of Indian union.
Don’t worry, but at least, it is not a rogue language like Tamil. Hindi is most beautiful and widely spoken by all Indians. Proud that most Kannadigas can speak or at least understand this lang as the truth is, it is related by blood.
Tamils are Afros faking to be Indians
Knowing hindi and english doesnt matter bro…you should know kannada ha ha ha…Wanna a hear a joke Kannada in Bangalore…ROFL Ha Ha
Actually, Chennai’s population is larger than that of Bangalore (not less than half of Bangalore’s). This is because the agglomeration of Chennai is split between different municipalities- Chennai, Ambattur, Tambaram, Ennore, Pallavaram and so on. Bangalore, on the other hand, is united under a single corporation. Comparing agglomerations, Chennai is larger than Bangalore in terms of population.
Bangalore cannot afford to lose the kannadigas, can’t become another city like mumbai.I think it’s time for a revolution against tamils and telugu people. They are mostly a bad number! Most of the tamils and telugus in bangalore are present in slums, who are unfit for any good. It is important to get rid of the slums where they are concentrated more.
Yes. I agree and support you
recent survey states majority IT & industrial people are from tamilnadu & andhra , with out TN u(KA) will not get electricity and without AP u wont get Rice , we may be in slum but we leed………………..
Can you please quote some evidence.
correct man just empty the poor and humble people and make a way for the rich guys,you want bangalore to be rich and not its people,wow!!what a thought please guys stop such comment think twice before you comment,and regarding your statement,go and watch for rich men and women in bangalore ,they are the tamils,we rock brother we are dravidians(kannadiga,malayale,telegu,tulu,kodava,baduga,toda and tamils) we rock each corner of the world proud to be south indian
Shut up Ambed, u stupid skin head, dead head! No Konga tamils buggers are the richest here, if at all they are, they have stolen, robbed rich Kannadigas and murdered people to become rich. Whenever there are robberies or theft or any crime for money, check out the news, it is either from Tamilnadu or Andhra Pradesh. You buggers are making life out of eating our crap. You guys don’t rock, you suck! Don’t compare yourselves with Kannadigas(tulu, kodava). We are different race from you tamil africans!
Bharath, why do you drag Telugus into this controversy. Many Telugus ARE native to Karnataka and Bangalore. Go to the villages just outside Bangalore, most of the native villagers are Telugu speakers. They respect Kannada more than Kannadigas (at least in Bangalore). Even migrant Telugus from Andhra learn the language quickly. From my personal experience, while Telugus converse with anyone (except among themselves) in Kannada, some Kannadigas (mostly those in IT industry) prefer to speak English (in fake accent) among themselves and not Kannada. If you need to start a revolution, start it only against Tamilians, who despite being in Bangalore for 200-300 years, refused to learn Kannada, even basic working, conversational Kannada. You can also revolt against Kannadigas who don’t speak Kannada, but please leave Telugus out of this.
Note- I’m a Telugu Brahmin, native to Dodballapur near Bangalore and I’m proud of Karnataka and Kannada culture. I hate those Tamilians too.
Seetharam, you are maybe actually Kannadiga where Telugu must have been just adopted long back due to border influence. But Tamils are not alike that. That is a different afro cult itself which doesn’t belong anywhere and mostly liers. They lie that they are Kannadigas with a big obvious Tamil faces
I have seen more of kannada people looking very dark and black compared to people in Tamilnadu.
Kannadiga and veerakannadiga guys…remember your kannada people also belong to Dravidian race…just like tamilians, telugu and mallus.
Like every other Dravidian, you also have mixture of fair skinned, brownish or dark complexion people. Dont think that all of you are light skinned! ha ha ha
I am a Tamil Brahmin and hence I am very fair skinned! ha ha ha…you bloody loser!!
Hey Konga Mahesh, in Karnataka or elsewhere in North India people with dark skin still have a well developed face features with proper jaw lines even if sometimes not so pretty (from here is where the lovely phrase “Tall, dark and handsome” comes into being. The rest are light, lighter, lightest. But look at your tamil people, sadly you are still under evolution………. see the tamil jaws, lips, eyes, hair, nothing is formed properly yet or rather so primitive……………. Stonage homo sapien sapiens ha ha ha
By the way, we don’t care for mere creatures like you if Konga bramin or konga konga. If you have gained lighter skin in a community like yours, it maybe just a defect or a deficiency of some sort. There are many Black Americans also who had turned white sometime in life “it was indeed a disease commonly found in African genes”. So you still are a loser, a super loser, and will be loser for life ha ha ha he he he ho ho ho ho ho……..
“I am not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world.”
Socrates quotes (Ancient Greek Philosopher, 470 BC-399 BC).
1500 Years have passed since,Yet the world is still immature we can’t say “I am not a bangalorean or a Geek, but a citizen of the world. I am not limited by my parents faith or what i speak, but am a human on this earth”. Shame on us. Shame on vasudhaiva kutumbakam, shame to global village, shame to modern India, Shame to United Nations. Shame to humanity. Why China is so much ahead of us. why mughals or British could rule over us, still we do not realise the power of unity in diversity. United we stand divided we fall. Vande Mataram,
Your words are beautiful and can be applied to all the Indians regardless of their caste, creed, religion, race, but not for Pakis and Tamils. If you let them in, they will make vasudhaiva gulumgulum
No way….half of the tamil and telugu population are karnataka people …they r very fluent in kannada and they even use kannada in home (i.e iyangars,mudaliars) and they also resembles them as Kannadiga only (those who r born in KA)but the problem is of recent migrants…they dont have common sense to give a respect for a life giving karnataka state
I don’t think you are a veera Kannadiga speaking. You must be a stupid mudaliars shit. No Tamil shit can ever be of Karnataka. The Kannadigas are the majority anyways in B’lore and everywhere in Karnataka. Only sometimes they are in disguise because of our own Kannadiga languages such as Tulu, Konkani and Coorgi.
you seem to xnophobic hatred for tamils, if you have the sense go read about the history of kannada devanga history, how those people found refuge in TN when they were persecuted in old mysore kingdom.
The very kannadiga – english deccan herald paper carried a report indicating that largest concentration of kannadigas outside karnataka is in Tamil nadu.
Xenophobism – is amnetal disorder- hope you take some medication and get well soon
Don’t worry about our medication Mr. Just ’cause somebody takes refuge for a while somewhere, they don’t become the natives. So, if at all there are Kannadigas in ur Konguland, they will be looking forward to fly back here anyday, but u kongus never get lost even if kicked. Just because someone stays in a place, they don’t own it or become one wit it. It applies to both the communities. i.e. Our ppl don’t want ur land even if u want to giv it free of cost and your shit ppl are staying here shamelessly for two centuries. They don’t get lost after the job is over……..Horrible creatures!
Highest concentration of Kannadigas outside Karnataka is first in Maharashtra and outside India in the U.S. Check properly before you communicate
Actually … KANNADA-41% tamil -31 telugu -13 malayalam-5 others -10…this is the current population of namma bengaluru(KARNATAKA) …
Kannada and Kannadigas remain the highest in the state.
HI I`m a tamil from South tamilnadu, and I love kannada people very much. They are very much like us in every-way of life. Kannada and tamil are brothers forever.
No you are wrong, Tamils and Kannadigas never resemble in any sense. The truth is Kannadigas have come into being because of the originals in the state mixed with the North Indians who are our true brothers. Tamils came from Africa
Seriously. this is the most ignorant comment that I’ve read in a while. Tamils and Kannadigas DO resemble each other in every aspect of their culture and language, and in fact, Kannada is the third closest language to Tamil (next to Malayalam). in terms of linguistics and genetics. There were no Kannada ‘originals’ except for Proto-Dravidians who were also the ancestors of Tamils, Malayalees, Tuluivas and Telugus. And, you call North Indians true brothers ? Kannada does have more Sanskrit influence than Tamil, but that’s because North Indians took your women and imposed their culture on you from the top.
Where to where are you connecting. First of all you should know one thing that there is nothing called Aryan to talk of Dravidians. If at all there are Dravidians, you yourself has explained that there were no Kannada originals, but Tamils existed down south. That proves only Tamils and and the other two state people are called Dravidians. The aborigines of Karnataka are none other than the most advanced Tuluvas and also people from part of Mysore and Coorg who were already dwelling in Karnad. But then again, the original Kannadigas always somewhere has the blood line from the Banaras, Kashi, and Kashmir. Don’t compare us the Kannadigas to Kongas. And talking about the languages,
1. Kannada is not the third closest to Tamil, it is the third oldest language which is majorly from Sanskrit. You said, Kannada has more Sanskrit than Tamil, For your kind information, Tamil has no connections to Sanskrit at all. Do you know that Tamil is the only independant language in India and rest all belong to Sanskrit equally well, be it northern or southern. In the beginning I agree, Kannada borrowed a very few words from Tamil and quite a few sounds, but soon it made it’s own and kept adding to it’s Mother Sanskrit.
2. Second most important point is, you should know properly the Purans, history and the geographical history of the place before connecting. You are talking of linguistics and genetics of Tamils and Kannadigas matching? Well, over some 10000 years back, there was this continental drift that was happening when lands would cut off from mainland & would drift towards the other parts. In one such situation, a huge chunk of land cut off from Africa and started drifting and came and joined the southern part. This part is none other than whole of Tamilnadu, 3/4 of Andhra Pradesh and half of Kerala. So along with it, came some people also drifting whose children you are. While so called Kannadigas, Maharashtrians and Goans were already the fairer belt and of the original mainland India who already were living here, but maybe they had a different language then. And so were the existing people like that of Northerners of today. You may also argue that North Indians came from the Central Asia, but the truth is Central Asia in those days was nothing but, Akhanda Bharata
Ha Ha HA ,,, tamils came from africa??? what a joke !!!!!!!
check the history dude !!!! tamil & tamilians exist in india before 2000 years of BC(before christ) but kanada is only 700 to 800 year old language,,, we are here long back ,,, kanada is newly formed by mixing of other languages like hindi, sanskrit and tamil etc….
Hey Konga raju, u tink ur tamil is only 2000 yrs old? That shows how much you know about our country. You demons came to India thousands of years back along with your land drifting from Africa. Let alone ur B.C, it was even before that Mahabharata i.e during Ramayan. If not this, then who was Ravana? He was ur own man that spoke Tamil just like ur LTTEs and begged for lands everywhere. On the other hand Kannada is equally older language that was created with the help of Sanskrit, further a mix of Magadhi & other langs and belongs to Bharatha since times immemorial. 700 to 800 years tat u r talking could be tat of lil bit of dirty tamil influence to Kannada when it just began, but even today after 100s of yrs, dirty tamil couldn’t enter Kannada strongly like our Indian languages did and nor could the tamils get mixed with us ha ha. Great thing is, Kannada today is being influenced more & more by its related languages and tamil influence dying out
ALL Kannada Kandis…what you mean by namma in sanskrit ?? its actually orginated from nam in tamil….
baeda orginated from vendam in tamil….
eno is from enna…
manai ?? do you think it is sanskrit ???ha ha ha LOL
nodu from nokku in tamil..
odi adi from tamil…
neeru from neer….
sikkathu from sinnathu…
we have few sanskrit words in use in our place but there is no word in tamil orignated from sanskrit…Understand the difference….
I Agree Still sanskrit words also there in Kannada But kannada is null sanskrit and tamil…that is true..Sanskrit may be the mother of Kannada but Tamil is the father….The one who doesnt know who is his father is kannadiga…
No point in getting frustrated kandis…there are illiterated tamil people in bangalore slums…but it doesnt mean that all tamils are slums…go and see that fact of literacy rate in tamil nadu vs karnataka…you people still need to grow your literacy rate to reach tamils…Got it ??? slummy
Yes we are black people since we did not mingle with aryans and English much as your forefathers(and mothers) did :-p…
Still there are many afro dark kannadigas in karnataka who is way too dark as tamils…how you willl explain their origin ?? from africa ?? You people feeling proud on orginated from aryans and sanskrit…But they see you as a one more chuthiya madarasi…Atleast we came to know the fact that aryans are against us and we started opposing them but you people even dont know that and going behind them….ha ha ha poor…
Where to where are you connecting. First of all you should know one thing that there is nothing called Aryan to talk of Dravidians. If at all there are Dravidians, you yourself has explained that there were no Kannada originals, but Tamils existed down south. That proves only Tamils and and the other two state people are called Dravidians. The aborigines of Karnataka are none other than the most advanced Tuluvas and also people from part of Mysore and Coorg who were already dwelling in Karnad. But then again, the original Kannadigas always somewhere has the blood line from the Banaras, Kashi, and Kashmir. Don’t compare us the Kannadigas to Kongas. And talking about the languages,
1. Kannada is not the third closest to Tamil, it is the third oldest language which is majorly from Sanskrit. You said, Kannada has more Sanskrit than Tamil, For your kind information, Tamil has no connections to Sanskrit at all. Do you know that Tamil is the only independant language in India and rest all belong to Sanskrit equally well, be it northern or southern. In the beginning I agree, Kannada borrowed a very few words from Tamil and quite a few sounds, but soon it made it’s own and kept adding to it’s Mother Sanskrit.
2. Second most important point is, you should know properly the Purans, history and the geographical history of the place before connecting. You are talking of linguistics and genetics of Tamils and Kannadigas matching? Well, over some 10000 years back, there was this continental drift that was happening when lands would cut off from mainland & would drift towards the other parts. In one such situation, a huge chunk of land cut off from Africa and started drifting and came and joined the southern part. This part is none other than whole of Tamilnadu, 3/4 of Andhra Pradesh and half of Kerala. So along with it, came some people also drifting whose children you are. While so called Kannadigas, Maharashtrians and Goans were already the fairer belt and of the original mainland India who already were living here, but maybe they had a different language then. And so were the existing people like that of Northerners of today. You may also argue that North Indians came from the Central Asia, but the truth is Central Asia in those days was nothing but, Akhanda Bharata
So tell me, how are Tamils related to Kannadigas???
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I do not know if I can post links on this forum, but, go through these yourself and make a decision.
Coming to your point 1, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, Tulu, Gondi, Kui and several smaller languages are Dravidian. The Dravidian Language family is native to India and is not a part of the Indo-European language family of North India and Europe.
Go through this link carefully.
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/sars238/encybrit.html
Your claim that Tamil is separate and that languages like Kannada are descendants of Sanskrit is a figment of your imagination. No truth there.Just because a language has foreign words and lexical borrowings, it cannot become a descendant of a foreign language.
If your theory of language descent is true, then, English should be a descendant of Latin. But NO, English is a GERMANIC LANGUAGE that is related to Dutch, German, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian !!!!! It has Latin words, but that doesn’t make it a descendant of Latin ! Similarly, Tamil also has a lot of borrowings from Sanskrit, but, there are native Dravidian words that have the same meaning too. The same thing goes for Kannada as well !
Coming to your point 2, the part that drifted away from Africa is not just TN and Andhra pradesh, but all of peninsular India till Madhya Pradesh ! And, this part includes Karnataka, Maharashtra and Goa as well. And yes, I will argue that North Indians came from Central Asia – that is the truth, and that cannot be hidden.
But, you should realize that the Hindu culture that is prevalent today is primarily a mix of Dravidian and Indo-European cultures. There is an enormous amount of evidence to show that the Gods Shiva and Durga are Dravidian deities, and that other Gods like Indra, Varuna and Brahma are Indo-European deities. In fact, the practice of keeping ‘pottu’ on the forehead is a Dravidian practice !
In essence, everything that you are saying is propaganda. NONE, and I mean NONE of what you are saying is scientifically validated.
READ THIS FIRST
You and your stupid link should be kept with you. First of all a man, who came up with this theory is not and Indian and what does he know about India. It clearly shows it has been further developed by demonic Tamils. I don’t care about your Kongru, Telagu or Malyalam, but you better stop separating the tulu language from Kannadigas which belongs us and only our place. In Kannada, there maybe few words which sound like your Tamil that is because, there might have been few words borrowed here and there as you are residing just near and also keep walking into our state often shamelessly.
Read below, are the extracts of from your own link that is pasted. Read and try and understand that yourself.
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/sars238/encybrit.html
Para 2. Of the Dravidian languages, Tamil has the greatest geographical extension and the richest and most ancient literature, which is paralleled in India only by that of Sanskrit. Its phonological and grammatical systems correspond in many points to the ancestral parent language, called Proto-Dravidian.
Para 3. Nothing definite is known about the origin of the Dravidian family. There are vague indigenous traditions about an ancient migration from the south,
Para 4. As an independent family, the Dravidian languages were first recognized in 1816 by Francis W. Ellis, a British civil servant. The actual term Dravidian was first employed by Robert A. Caldwell, who introduced the Sanskrit word dravida (which, in a 7th-century text, obviously meant Tamil) into his epoch-making A Comparative Grammar of the Dravidian or South Indian Family of Languages (1856).
Para 6. Malayalam, which is closely related to Tamil, is spoken in the Indian state of Kerala by some 21,700,000 people. Possessing an independent written script, it also has a rich modern literature.
READ THIS FIRST
You and your stupid link should be kept with you. First of all a man, who came up with this theory is not and Indian and what does he know about India. It clearly shows it has been further developed by demonic Tamils. I don’t care about your Kongru, Telagu or Malyalam, but you better stop separating the tulu language from Kannadigas which belongs us and only our place. In Kannada, there maybe few words which sound like your Tamil that is because, there might have been few words borrowed here and there as you are residing just near and also keep walking into our state often shamelessly.
Read below, are the extracts of from your own link that is pasted. Read and try and understand that yourself.
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/sars238/encybrit.html
Para 2. Of the Dravidian languages, Tamil has the greatest geographical extension and the richest and most ancient literature, which is paralleled in India only by that of Sanskrit. Its phonological and grammatical systems correspond in many points to the ancestral parent language, called Proto-Dravidian.
Para 3. Nothing definite is known about the origin of the Dravidian family. There are vague indigenous traditions about an ancient migration from the south,
Para 4. As an independent family, the Dravidian languages were first recognized in 1816 by Francis W. Ellis, a British civil servant. The actual term Dravidian was first employed by Robert A. Caldwell, who introduced the Sanskrit word dravida (which, in a 7th-century text, obviously meant Tamil) into his epoch-making A Comparative Grammar of the Dravidian or South Indian Family of Languages (1856).
Para 6. Malayalam, which is closely related to Tamil, is spoken in the Indian state of Kerala by some 21,700,000 people. Possessing an independent written script, it also has a rich modern literature.
I understand these things perfectly because I study them at college. What I do not understand is why you want me to read them again. Here’s are some excerpts from the Government of India’s Classical Kannada Website –
1. Kannada is one of the major languages derived from the proto Dravidian. It is classified under the South Dravidian languages.
2. Shankara Bhat D.N. has traced the evolution of the proto Kannada from the Proto Dravidian in his ‘Kannada Bhasheya kalpita Charitre’. (1995) He delineates the proto Dravidian elements that have stayed on in Kannada as also the elements that have undergone changes.
3.Tamil and Kannada must have resembled one another to a great extent in early stages. However, the all pervasive influence of Sanskrit in later centuries masked these similarities for a long time.
Here’s the link, for your reference – http://www.classicalkannada.org/DataBase/KannwordHTMLS/CLASSICAL%20KANNADA%20LANGUAGE%20HTML/ANTIQUITY%20OF%20KANNADA.htm
And, TULU IS VERY MUCH DIFFERENT FROM KANNADA.It is a separate branch of the South Dravidian Family that is very different from all of the other surrounding languages. Therefore, Tuluvas as not Kannadigas.
.When facts go against your unproven theories, you should let go and start accepting what is true instead of calling people names.
You Tamils shamelessly by hook or crook wanna mix up with us, but this will not lead you anywhere as there is no truth anywhere in what you are claiming. The second point, Para 3. from your own link clearly mentions that nothing definite is known about the origin of the so called “Dravidian family” and para 4. by Francis clearly mentions that “Dravida” was a word picked to call the Tamils and Tamils alone. Just ’cause you think you want to establish your own Kongaru dynasty again somewhere, doesn’t mean, you can fool all South Indians into supporting you. There is no way we resemble each other in the first place. Stop calling everybody a dravida just because you are cursed. TULU & KANNADA ARE BOTH THE LANGUAGES SPOKEN BY THE PEOPLE OF KARNAD i.e. WE AND WE KNOW BETTER ABOUT IT THAN ANYONE ELSE and so is it about our great KODAVA LANGUAGE. We don’t want menial Kongas to comment about our languages.
1. You are talking of the Dravidian language family being native to India, but it is rather the native to India are langs like Kannada(including tulu), Marathi etc and maybe has lil influence of langs like yours. And you people are not native to India, it is rather Africa.
2. Coming to your point of calling North Indians as Indo-European and their language from the family of Indo-Europe, first of all you need to understand that the stupid theories like Indo-European or Aryan began quite recently just close to World War II with Mr. Hitler Shit as he had found that all countries had turned against him and he had no way to get supporters from anywhere. That is when he began this theory of his own as he knew Indians were stupid enough to believe anything that is told by others except their own and he had some knowledge of the caste probs going on here at that time. He knew the Indians were of different color and so thought of drawing the lighter ones to him for support naming them as “Aryans” and claiming they are from Europe. First of all he clearly didn’t know any shit about our God’s own language Sanskrit. “Arya” in Sanskrit means “Nobleman” not Indo or European and obviously there can’t be a nobleman community or a country. It is as stupid and funny as saying Engineer country or doctors country. By the way North Indians don’t even have as much Europeanism in them as much a lot of Kannadigas have because of many interracial proper marriages here. Northies aren’t from Central Asia either, in fact Central Asia was our own. Even today Iranians are fighting for the rights to let them go back to praying the fire God like any other Hindu.
3. I don’t understand why you are going to English for help while you need to talk just of Sanskrit and country. Anyways, go research again, English is not a Germanic language as you have called it, it is French. The early English comprised of 10000 words from French alone, not Latin or Germany. As you say English has Latin words, but that doesn’t make it a descendant of Latin ! Similarly, Kannada has few tamilish words doesn’t mean it is related closely to Tamil. Kannada rather stands on the base called mother Sanskrit and widely has connections with the languages like Magadhi.
4. Hindu culture maybe a mix of all or rather say, all other cultures evolved from Hinduism. That is apart, but you are so ignorant to call Lord Shiva & Ma Durga as Dravidian deities. Have you once given it a thought, Lord Shiva’s abode is the Kailash Parvath in Himalayas and that is in the North of India and not in Konganadu (Tamilnadu)
. Your God should be Ravana, you have mistaken it for universal Lord Shiva. Also the word “Pottu” or shittu is not heard of here. If you are talking about the one that we keep on fourhead, we have been traditionally and normally calling it as “Kumkum”, “Gandha”, “Ardha Bindu”, “Chandra Bindu” or “Tilak” according to its shapes and material. The modern Kannadigas also easily and commonly say Bindi like any other North Indian.
In essence, now I must say everything that you are saying is propaganda. NONE, and I mean NONE of what you are saying is scientifically validated. All your arguments are baseless and a junk. We are not interested in buying your theories. Thanks.
Leave Us the Royal Kannadigas Alone!
THE DREAM OF TAMILS TO ESTABLISH THE KONGA DYNASITY WILL REMAIN A DREAM……
Your post is indeed very funny. You’re writing things just to show your hatred for Tamils, and not for the sake of facts. EVERYTHING you have stated above is factually wrong..
1. Indo-Aryan Languages are a distinct group of languages that does not have anything to do with the Indo-Aryan Race theory.
2. Tulu and Kannada are SOUTH DRAVIDIAN Languages
3. Sanskrit is not the base of Kannada – rather, Kannada is a core Dravidian Language that has evolved by itself even though it has used Sanskrit loanwords
4. Hahahaha ! Kannadigas don’t say Bindi ! Now, don’t try to be sly- I have Kannadiga relatives and I know stuff about that language. In any case, The Pottu culture originated in the Indus Valley Civilization which was definitely NOT Sanskritic.
5. Shiva and Durga are also Indus Valley deities and are not Central Asian like Indra or Brahma.
6. Tamils are one of the most dominant ethnic groups in India and will continue to dictate therms to the Central Government, whether YOU like it or not. We’ve got 40 Lok Sabha seats, and we’ll do what benefits US. Our dynasty is already here, and it is only your dream to see that crumble. On the other hand, Kannadiga culture is scattered today – Banglaore has been lost to Tamils and Telugus while North Karnataka is under the sway of Marathi Influence. Malnad is fast turning into an area of economic deprivation and poverty. So, where is your Suvarna Karnataka ? Answer: Doesn’t exist.
Oh shut you hole up bloody Ravana, bloody Africanvida! Lol! what are barking? How can Indo Aryan lang not connect your Indo Aryan theory now? All this while it was different. Good way of Escape. There is nothing left with you to prove I am wrong in any sense, so you are screaming and shouting ha ha ha
You are barking the same things over and over just ’cause you have nothing left. Why? your stupid links are exhausted? Go research for some more. Some Ravana must have written something Lol
Kannada is Shuddha Samskrutha, Tamil is something of Africa he he. You still couldn’t prove that Lord Shiva and Parvathi are Dravidian deities and like a nut you are talking about Indus valley now Lol Lol Lol. Keep going higher and higher from your dirty land until the Northerns boot you. Even Lord Shiv Ji must be laughing at you. Bindi is a word I have clearly mentioned is a modern one in usage while previously there were other words such as kumkum etc which people used here in Karnataka. No pottu or a shittu. Go read it again.
First of all, it is just your huge imagination that Kannadigas have lost or losing their place to any Kongas or Telugus because the mojority is still WE
1. The only secret is, Kannadigas are highly decent, won’t talk loud in any public places. They look for privacy and don’t make noise. Thatz about it why people might feel or dream like Kannadigas are less. Also since times immemorial Kannadigas exist speaking our own group of languages which might make you think, it isn’t Kannada, but indeed it is. We wanna be that way.
2. We haven’t lost anything to Maratha’s as we are one and the same race and are a happy lot together. Look at how many Kannada-Maratha marriages happen every year whole-heartedly and in fact we rule Mumbai today in every possible way. Under whose SWAY are you talking about
. But you Kongas have been living in Karnataka for 2 centuries now (you were brought here as slaves to build our Contonment Railway Station), still no Native is ready to marry Tamils Lol. God alone knows what sort of Kannadiga relatives you have. Maybe they are handicapped, or orphans, impotent or border area cheap mixed breeds or fools for sure. No good Kannadiga in proper consciousness can marry a Tamil.
3. We have had no problems with Telugus or Mallus and nor do they have guts or shamelessness to dream to overtake Kannadigas. So, though they are like you, but they are not you. Somewhere we accept them as Indians, not you Ha ha.
* Last but not the least, for whatever terms you will have to go to North itself to lick the feet of Central Government which is again lead by us, the rest of the Indians especially North.
hahaha
* Even with your 40 Lok Sabha seats, Tamilnadu is still destined to drink the urinated part of Great Cauvery flow out from Karnataka afte using it LOOOOOOOL LOL LOL
* And fools like you do what benefits US and they will have you eat their excreta like they did with you once when supporting against Lanka
What dynasty can you build with this kind of situation? REMEMBER WHAT THE SRI LANKANS DID WITH YOU TAMILS FOR DREAMING YOUR KONGA DYNASITY THERE HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
What is your contribution after all? THE TAMIL SLUMS? Sorry Slum mean Tamils, Tamils means slum LOL LOL LOL
Better stop all this argument and live happily in your African state and stop dreaming about Karnataka.
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN PROVE US WRONG WITH
I am a kannada brahmin and let me assure you that Kannada is a language related to Tamil and it is an original language. It is not “shuddha smaskruta”, but has borrowed words from Sanskrit. You are delusional.
By the way, I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and can speak it quite well.
Thanks for backing me up, and good reply btw ! I really did not want to be dragged down to the level of that person’s intelligence.
Mr. Baddtamizh, your name itself suggests who you are. No Kannadiga names himself a tamizhan or whatever shit that is. You Bloody Ravanas, stop hiding your real identity just bcoz, u gain a lil color on ur skin here. You can also speak Sanskrit? Lol lol lol better watch out! it is against your Konga culture.
Just because you lived in a place or had an opportunity to be born in someone else’s land doesn’t make you the native of that land. First learn to respect your own language and motherland than trying to live with somebody else’s identity or pulling others to mix with yours. This is very reason why people across the world hate you tamil devils.
I really like how these kannada chauvinists get angry and agitated when they’re challenged with reality.
Ha Ha brother we dont want you to accept as dravidian but atleast pls be a kannadiga…dont become a european..I think you are living in Bangalore and you think whole kanrnataka is bangalore…get the facts right….Anyhow cool bro we wont compare you with tamils as you think you were higher race form us and you are living north to us thats fine…but remember one thing after 10 years there will be no kannada no telugu no tulu…But there will be Hindi and tamil.That time you people will tell sanskrit is our mother…and still more after 100 years…there will be English and Tamil…and you will tell we people are sons of europeans…We stay with our culture and you can go behind any culture who cares….
And @ tamil brothers no need to worry for kannada people there will be no kannadigas in 10 years as what happened now in bengaluru…They are feeling ashame of speaking in Kannada…
yes being a kannadiga i agree that tamil and kannnada are sister language 50% of the words are same in kannada and tamil the difference between the kannadigas and tamils is of only skin colour .some people masked as kannnadigas are trying to divide the tamils and kannadigas.kannadigs/tamils should be very careful about these people and donot trust their words .the same people doing mischieves in chennnai in the name tamil.
Mr. Nagaraj, you are also one of those Kongas who probably want to become Kannadiga. Try your best LOL! That is never going to happen. You Tamil Africans just want one good identity of the land of the Native Indians thatz it. Shows how desperate you are.
By the way your pretence as Kannadiga is a good attempt. Try it with someone else Ravana
Why would a Tamil want to be a Kannadiga? You guys are at the bottom of the heap in South India socially, culturally and economically. I don’t want to be racist, but from what I see there Gowdas, Lingayats and other non brahmin Kannadigas look just like other South Indians with short height, curly hair, thick lips and dark skin. the only exceptions are the bunts who are not Kannadigas
There is no shame in being a dravidian as we are ultimately descended from Africans
No matter what, you Tamil dogs have no shame at all. The so called Gowdas, Lingayats or non brahmins also never resemble Tamil shits in any sense. For your kind info, Bunts are nothing but Gowdas of the coastal line and are the most original of the Kannadigas. And also Gowdas are nothing but the Thakurs of the North who descended amix. And Lingayats? Lol lol lol, the Lingayat itself means Brahmins of Shaivakula…. Go see the people in Shimoga that is filled with so called Lingayats who usually fair beauties and go check out Coorg that is filled with Gowdas who are the Estate owners and the most good looking ha ha ha. First learn the purana of the Hind and about Karnad’s real bloodline. Don’t bark shit from your African asshole mind.
If you are talking specifically of curly hair, thick lips or anything like that, for your kind info, that may also exist in the most advanced places and European countries as well among the whites, but with a difference. Those curls are usually soft, sensual and beautiful unlike the Afros or the Kongas(Tamils) who have very primitive thick curls with and primitive jawline. Your resemblance to Africans is so obvious that you can’t hide it.
It is so very well comparable – the way Africans look and the tamils look, the African rituals of Murukan and the tamils Murugan, Afros are good road dancers and so are Tamils, they can work through the day in the heat and so can you, they way they style, tie their bandana, and ditto is the way Tamils do. We have seen that throughout as Tamils were brought in Lorries to build the buildings in Karnataka year after year. Afros steal, and loot anyone they get on their way mercilessly and so do Tamils………… Most of all Afro names and Tamils names are so similar, such as Ponnambalam, Yukombo, Ezil…………Uff the list will never end. And these shit names don’t even make any sense in Kannada. All we have used or are using is Sanskrit names….
Maybe you can pull in Andhra or Kerala if you want but talking of Karnataka like that is so ridiculous while it is so obvious we have no resemblance to you of any sort.
Neither do we want to be racists, but I think, things will be alright only if the Kongas stop claiming the whole world as theirs which will never happen. Let along Karnataka, even your close relatives like AP never want to belong to you he he
Brother go and see your Puneeth rajkumars face…yuck…Tamil slum people are far better than him…get a life kandis
Whatever it is… I believe that Tamil is the most endangered language… that bcoz.. they can never adapt to any language nor they can learn, speak anything other than tamil properly. They can’t speak hindi, english, kannada, anything except tamil… We Kannadigas are most adaptable and can survive with others. They might be dominating now, but its not same always.Hope evryone knows why bollywood always tease tamil movies
They are dominating only in dreams dear. They can never do anything in real except use their cheap slave ways to get the work done
“Sapadu venuma”? ws the only thing Kannadigas knew to ask Tamils and they wud run n come greedily with their bowls LOL LOL
Y u guys are just fighting shamelessly in the name of being as Kannadigas or Tamilians. Not only that one of you here pointed out that North Indians as the dirty ones and Tamilians and Kannadigas to be united as South indians. Whether kannadigas, North Indians or South Indians be an INDIAN first. Every language is beautiful. Whether Tamilians, Kannadigas or Northies are making the city Dirty, is actually dependant upon an individual and how one is educated intrue sense. No one has the right to claim others for any chaos. Bangalore is a cosmopolitan city and I don’t see any harm in that. Kannada is not an extinct or endangered language. In fact its becoming more beautiful and Bangaloreans are developing a multilingual personality and its good for them. I don’t see any harm in that. Please give up your silly thought that using Hindi in Bangalore will lose one’s identity as being a kannadiga. In real sense a Bangalorean or a kannadiga is the one who is very decent and civilised and accept everyone from anywhere in India as well as from world with their open heart.
Hello Mr. Bangalore Lover, though you seem right in some sense, you seem funny as you don’t even seem to know what people in this are talking about and the feelings of a Kannadiga/Kanareans. You are talking bindaas of how Bangaloreans must accept everybody as ours, why don’t you preach the same to your own people and city? This is the real frustration of the Bangaloreans and origins of Karnataka. By the way, who told you that Northies are dirty. I don’t think any real Kannadiga can say that as we and they are one and gel pretty well. The only problem in Bangalore is Garbage and Tamils.
Just beware that all comments against north Indians is made by the Kongru dynasty. These Tamils want more and more people to join them to build their dynasty. They hate every other coming from different parts of the country to Bangalore while they themselves are outsiders. Natives have no prob with anyone. In the first place all Kannadigas, be they Bangaloreans, Mysoreans, Coorgis, South/North Canara or the North Karnataka people, we are all of the same bloodline of the North Indians and Kannada as a language itself is an origin of Sanskrit, Prakrit & Ardhamagadhi. Why should we mix with these Afros called Tamils, and their other partners.
I still proclaim loudly that all Indians are our brothers and sisters except Tamil Afros maily
Tamilians – Sir C V Raman, Srinivasa Ramanujan, Vishwanath Anand, A. R. Rehman, APJ Abdul Kalam, Kamal Hassan, Mani Rathnam and many more talents who have gained national identity…
Can you kannadigas or telugu mention few names atleast?
In India there are two portions — North and South
If it is South .. Tamilians stands tall. erstwhile Madras current Chennai comes to anyone’s mind first.
They may be a chunk of Telugu guys in IT, look at the top management ….i can bet Tamils will outnumber..
Before fighting for our language and culture, we should respect each others and stay peacefully… we should be united and fight the corruption and terrorism
JAI HIND
At last Mr. Raj, you are talking is neat and is not a headless argument like from your fellow tamils. I like it. However your claims are baseless that you stand the tallest in South with your achievements. If I must list the Kannadigas who have gained national identity, it goes too long….. World renowned Arya Bhata to begin with (in 476 CE) whose birth place is included in Kerala today, but his name pronunciation style remains same as us, Magadhis who are Kannadigas……… to recent times Sir M. Visheshraya, Dr. Rajkumar (Winner of many awards like no one did in the South), Biddu who was the first to bring disco/ Pop music in India (first English band ever) based on which whole of the country started producing dance-worthy musics you are listening today, Aishwarya Rai who changed the face of India putting country on the world map for beauty shocking the Europeans and the rest of the world who realized Indians are colored not black (pls check, Indians were simply called black until then), as for sport stars list is too long to mention (Check out for yourself, five to six out of 11 in Cricket teams have always been Kannadigas continually for years), and list of Great Kannadigas like B.D Jatti (National Leader), a global standard politician like S.M. Krishna, IT giants like Narayan Murthy and Nilekani, Billionaires and Trillionaires like Mallya and Keni……….. the list goes on………..
Of all the above, Kannada receives the highest number of jnanapeet awards for its literature and literary work.
No one can ever compare with us in anything, but we don’t make noise like you whatever the achievements are……
However, the people you have listed are also great. We respect them, especially the Mathies and Mr. Super President, we can’t stop loving Mr. Kalam
JAI HIND
Delhi Mumbai Chennai Kolkata…Where the fuck is Bangalore…HA HA HA LOL
Kannada originated from Tamil
You mother-fuckr originated from Tamils bloody afros. Kannada has always been a child of Sanskrit and originated from it.
Child of Sanskrit and Tamil…But poor child who doesnt who is his father…HA HA HA ROFL
Better stop being greedy, senseless and possessive of others and others’ land. Be happy with what you have and love from others will naturally flow
Kannada is a mixture of Tamil , Telugu and sanskrit!
Grow up Mr. Tamil and Telugu breeds are quite similar while Kannadigas are obviously different. Kannada is third oldest they say, but as per proper research, it is found that Kannada was already growing at the same time your Tamil was and is a different lang. And Telugu? it is a baby language as compared to Kannada and it came much later which took the scripts from Kannada though the speaking language has no resemblance. By the way Kannadigas race is of same as Magadhi’s, Kashmiris, Banarasis (Many of our sir names even today are like Bhandary, Acharya, Dev, Verma, Sharma, Singh, Rai, Dixit, Raikar, Dabolkar etc) which you might mistake for North Indian names (because the roots are same
) while Telugu, Tamil are obviously different from us………..
Hi Kannadiga and Telugu friends, Please accept my Ugadi Greetings. Let’s be good friends. We are all South Indians and Dravidas!
God bless you all.
Belated Wishes. Am tamil telugu mix and have roaming all south india places and north india places. But it is true ra that these Kannada peoples are not at all like us. karnataka peoples are something mix by Magarastra and north indians only. they also learn there languazes quick and speak nice. they cannot learn our tamil or telugu. It is very less people only who can pick up our style or languazes in karnataka. why we should fight to be unity with kannada? but they are good peoples only but they hate force. See even Goa not taking taxes only from Karnataka and Magarastra peoples entering there state. they say it is because they get help each other but real is they are one type of people only that is why